Q: cracking a safe ( No Answer) Question Subject: cracking a safe Category: Asked by: timespacette-ga List Price: $5.00 Posted: 09 Dec 2004 20:53 PST Expires: 08 Jan 2005 20:53 PST Question ID: 440671 Our local library has an old safe they've pulled out of storage, and a corresponding record of the safe's combination. No one has been able to open it using this combination, so they've put it out in the sitting room with a sign: Give it a try, Win a prize. Don't know what the prize is, sorry! They also don't know what's in the safe.
Wondering if there are any safe-cracking tricks that would help? It's a Herring-Hall-Marvin Safe Company; don't know the model or year it was made. The combination is as follows: Turn left 4 times to 35 Turn right 3 times to 55 Turn left 2 times to 71 Turn right to 18 One question I have is: say, for instance, you 'Turn right 3 times to 55'. Does that mean you turn right 3 times.passing the previous number. and then go to 55? (I would assume so). Every time I turn the dial it seems to get stiff at around #20, and then it lets loose again.
I have tried it changing some of the numbers to alternates, in case the combination was handwritten and a 71 could be mistaken for a 77 or a 11; that kind of thing. I'm sure I haven't tried every combination using this theory. Any suggestions? Request for Question Clarification by on 22 Dec 2004 07:26 PST I wanted you to note that in #4 of my description of how to use the combination, it should read: CORRECTION: 4) Turn the dial RIGHT until the dial STOPS -won't turn anymore.
It might not be exactly on the 18, but it WILL STOP when the handle will open. WHOOPS! If you use my suggestion for contacting a professional safe tech, please let me know so I can post in the Answer box. But only if you found my Comment below helpful, or you use my suggestions.
Cynthia Clarification of Question by timespacette-ga on 23 Dec 2004 01:28 PST hi there, everyone. I know you have been waiting with bated breath on the outcome of this and other ensuing dramas I have tried all of the suggestions below that involve a simple manipulation of the combination. No, I have not yet tried to torch it yet. Nobody at the library seems to be in the mood to help me go to those lengths, but this may change after Christmas. If I do eventually succeed, it will surely be in the local newspaper, of which there is an online version, of which I will surely post the link, so stay tuned! Thanks for all your help! Activation key meaning.
Ts Request for Question Clarification by on 24 Dec 2004 05:53 PST YAY!!!! I can hardly wait, it's a real safecracking! Answer There is no answer at this time. Comments Subject: Re: cracking a safe From: questionboy777-ga on 09 Dec 2004 21:24 PST Dear timespacette, For your first question, what you assumed is incorrect.
You basically pass 35 two times but three if you count the one you have had landed on. Here: Turn 3 times to the left passing 35 and the fourth time land on it.
Turn 2 times to the right passing 55 and the third time land on it. Turn 1 time to the left passing 71 and the second time land on it. Turn right directly to 18. I am not sure what your second question is but I assume it is: Every time I turn the dial it seems to get stiff at around #20, and then it lets loose again.
I am not perfectly sure but I THINK you might want to push or pull it when turning to the numbers. Also, check and make sure the combinations are correct. Best Regards, questionboy777 Subject: Re: cracking a safe From: probonopublico-ga on 09 Dec 2004 21:58 PST Reportedly, if you use a stethoscope you can hear the tumblers click into place. It may contain a skeleton! Worse, Jessica Fletcher or Columbo may then get called in.
Well what do you expect in Alcatraz? Subject: Re: cracking a safe From: timespacette-ga on 09 Dec 2004 23:26 PST:-) It would have to be the skeleton of a very small midget! The safe is only about 2' X 2' X 2' I forgot to mention that no one has opened it for at least 50 years! Subject: Re: cracking a safe From: on 10 Dec 2004 01:58 PST 50 years!
The mystery of Kurt Jahnke might even yet be revealed! What a Christmas present for Bryan that would be!
Very best regards THX1138 Subject: Re: cracking a safe From: gopman-ga on 10 Dec 2004 15:00 PST I have some limited experience opening safes. I'm guessing that the tumblers - which should only rotate at certain times during opening - are sticking together.
That may be why you feel friction when rotating the dial. If that's the case, the only thing I can think of would be to try to warm them up to try to free them. Someone might have used oil on them sometime in the past. If so, it could be preventing free rotation of the tumblers. Personally, I would try limited use of a propane torch on the center of the dial (only if everything is metal, though!) - just enough to warm things up - not to melt or burn anything.
Then try rapidly rotating the dial around to try to free things up. A hair dryer may be a safer alternative.
Herring-Hall-Marvin Safe Co., 1550 Grand Boulevard, was welcomed to Hamilton with a 100-gun salute during groundbreaking ceremonies Sept. The firm was a consolidation of Hall's Safe & Lock Co., Cincinnati; Marvin Safe Co., New York City; and Farrel & Co.
And Meyers & Smith, Philadelphia, according to Stephen D. Cone in A Concise History of Hamilton, published in 1901. Cone said the Hamilton plant 'has a floor space of 100,000 square feet in the main factory building, exclusive of the boiler and engine room. The main building is 300 by 352 feet in dimensions, fronting on Grand Boulevard.' The company was persuaded to relocate to Hamilton by the Hamilton Improvement Syndicate, headed by Lazard Kahn, Oakey V. Parrish and Moses Mosler.
The company prospered and expanded in Hamilton. During both world wars, Herring-Hall-Marvin produced equipment for the armed services. During World War II, it built gun mounts for the U. Navy and was engaged in projects related to the atomic bomb.
The Ohio Environmental Protection Agency said 'during the 1940s this company machined uranium slugs under subcontract with a prime Department of Energy contractor. The uranium slugs were machined from uranium billets.' Ohio EPA said 'the radiological cleanup was initiated in December 1994 and completed in February 1995,' at a cost of about $1 million. The assets of H-H-M were purchased by Diebold Inc., based in Canton, Ohio, in September 1959. The sale was challenged as a violation of anti-trust laws in a suit brought by the U.
Department of Justice, but a federal court in Cincinnati cleared the sale in March 1961. Three years later, employment at the Hamilton plant totaled 350 people. In October 1990, Diebold announced it would be begin a phased shutdown of the 200,000 square foot Hamilton plant in January 1991. Diebold came back to Hamilton in October 2001 when it purchased the closed Mosler facility at 8309 Berk Blvd. Diebold in 2003 activated a service and sales operation in the building that Mosler. 3, 2001, Mosler Inc. Closed its Hamilton offices and service center on Berk Boulevard as it began liquidating the corporation.
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6, 2001, Mosler Inc. Filed for bankruptcy protection. April 2, 1996, production had ended at Mosler's 104-year-old Grand Boulevard plant in Hamilton. 'Safe Capital of the World' was a City of Hamilton slogan for several decades. The combination of Mosler and Herring-Hall-Marvin 'gives Hamilton nearly 50 percent of the world's safe and vault production,' noted They Built a City: 150 Years of Industrial Cincinnati by the Federal Writer's Project of the Works Progress Administration, published in 1938.
(See Mosler Safe Co. And Macneale & Urban Co.).
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Re: Date/Serial Number of Safe Re: Date/Serial Number of Safe Posted by on July 16, 2007 at 05:48:33: In Reply to: posted by David Schmidt on July 13, 2007 at 19:46:38: Dave: There's really no way to track your safe's history. I'm sure it's a boring history anyway.just sitting around in a closet, office or basement.:) Hall's Safe and Lock company was founded in 1867 and was founded by Joseph L.
Hall's safe & Lock 'quit business' in 1892 according to later Hall's Safe Co. Advertisements in their safes.
For more info on Hall's look up a U S Supreme COurt decision back during the October term 1907, Number 136. So essentially the Hall's Safe & Lock Co started in 1867 and went out of business in 1892. Hall's Safe Co. Started in 1896. Herring Hall Marvin started shortly after 1892. In 1907 the Supreme Court said Joseph L Halls five sons had the right to use the Hall's name even though it was sold to Herring, Hall, Marvin.
The Hall's Safe Co. Had to label all their safes with the following: NOT THE HALL'S SAFE & LOCK COMPANY WHICH QUIT BUSINESS IN 1892 OR IT'S SUCCESSORS. ALL SAFES MADE BY HALLS SAFE CO. HAVE THIS TRADEMARK.
The trademark was a eagle with it's wings spread and a Hall's safe in the mid-section. Hope this helps. Dave LaBarge.
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